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Sjoerd
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 Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:33 pm Post subject: Expanded / extra parameter control |
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When comparing the screen shot of the ADM GUI to D16's Nepheton (808 emu) and Drumazon (909 emu), it looks like the ADM will not have all these extra parameters (compared to original 606, 808, 909) like tuning / decay (or reverb) for handclap, cowbell and rimshot, tone for cymbal, maracas and hihats (+ frequency), snappy / tone, tune depth and tune decay for toms.  I have been playing around a lot with these extra parameters and really love them - I probably wouldn't want to do without them anymore. Because of their musical usability, I expect such functions to be a key factor in deciding which product to use / purchase, even regardless of sheer sonic quality. Thus, from a user's perspective it would be very welcome to also have fierce competition on these aspects. |
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Mike
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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I have extended the sound with extra parameters where it is useful and sounds good. Blindly extending the sound generators is a bad idea. I have spent considerable time getting all the tunings right and changing these ever so slightly can cause bad sounds or remove ADM from the premisis on which it was conceived. If you want extra tunable parameters then use Drumazon or Nepheton. ADM has other stuff. Why should both product lines be exactly the same? All knobs on ADM's interface have meaning in (nearly) all drum modes, which means you do get extendable parameters. You can tune the 606 and 808 BD if you so choose.
Meanwhile I think the sheer quality of ADM's sound generators will blow you away, even without extended modules.
| Quote: | | I expect such functions to be a key factor in deciding which product to use / purchase, even regardless of sheer sonic quality. |
The tone in the statement above sounds like you are coercing us to make modifications to ADM based on competition. "Do this or people won't buy it.". I assure you we're not playing that game.
Personally I think its silly if products on the market have nearly the same specs, even though they are from different companies.
And besides, do you rather want ADM's generators to sound as intended with the right parameters or extended generators which don't sound quite right regardless of the parameter settings?
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Sjoerd
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike wrote: | | [...] I think the sheer quality of ADM's sound generators will blow you away, even without extended modules. |
I expect no less... 
| Mike wrote: | | Quote: | | I expect such functions to be a key factor in deciding which product to use / purchase, even regardless of sheer sonic quality. |
The tone in the statement above sounds like you are coercing us to make modifications to ADM based on competition. "Do this or people won't buy it.". I assure you we're not playing that game. |
No coercion implied at all; at most I meant to point out that some people perhaps won't buy it because such features may be more important to them than sound quality. I wrote "use / purchase" because I expect most people who are in the market for a product like ADM will buy products from both companies anyway, but for some purposes then indeed will use Drumazon or Nepheton instead of ADM. And I also think it is a good thing that products are more complements rather than strict substitutes.
| Mike wrote: | | Personally I think its silly if products on the market have nearly the same specs, even though they are from different companies. |
For this (type of) product I agree completely. I won't complain about the prices charged by Audiorealism (nor those by D16), which are very fair and reasonable imho. More generally speaking however, there are lots of so-called 'commodities' markets where such silliness has the additional benefit of driving down price levels, which is good for purchasers and usually for social welfare too (not for sellers, for them it remains silly).
| Mike wrote: | | And besides, do you rather want ADM's generators to sound as intended with the right parameters or extended generators which don't sound quite right regardless of the parameter settings? |
The first, of course. I agree the ADM should only use extended parameters "where it is useful and sounds good". My point is rather that I think extended parameters like those on D16's products are useful, at least. But I trust blindly in your sound quality standards and ability to decide whether any possible parameter extensions would live up to them. |
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Mike
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | at most I meant to point out that some people perhaps won't buy it because such features may be more important to them than sound quality. |
I realize that ADM doesn't cover all features of all drum plugins on the market. It would take nearly infinite amount of time to do that. Instead I have focused on the features that I think our customers will like. I'm quite positive that you (and the other) users will realize that ADM (once released) isn't really competing with other plugs on the same terms. Mind you I haven't checked all the other plugs out.
Reasonably, adding a parameter to control the amount of reverb on the claps could be useful, and I'm not saying it will never be added. So I take your suggestion exactly as it is: a feature suggestion. I'm just trying to make it clear that we don't design stuff based on what competitors or other plugs are doing. I think you'll recognize that this is a good thing in the end.
I listen to all feature suggestions and carefully consider them, so never be discouraged to post. |
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Sumatra
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Location: minnesota.usa
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| Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:46 am Post subject: Re: Expanded / extra parameter control |
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| Sjoerd wrote: | | When comparing the screen shot of the ADM GUI to D16's Nepheton (808 emu) and Drumazon (909 emu), it looks like the ADM will not have all these extra parameters (compared to original 606, 808, 909) |
Another thing to keep in mind is that the original 606/808/909 didn't have all of the options d16 added in as well. AR has added in some extended functionality, but ADM stays truer to the real drum machines, just like ABL is truer to the 303 than d16's emulator.
Think of ADM as the real things with a couple of mods. My original 909 was modded too. Just like old times....  |
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