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pac
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 Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:03 am Post subject: 606 sound |
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"the hihats and cymbals sound and react very close to the originals"
Hmm I have some doubts here. If you have a working 606, try this: run the machine on batteries until they are near low power. The interaction of sounds will change, also depending on the volume set. Maybe a "low power" mode should be considered in the physical model.
I would also appreciate if you run some comparisons like with the 303 and the ABL before. The 606 was a budget machine but especially on batteries it had a bit more organic character than ADM presently (IMO) |
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convoythecat
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:46 am Post subject: |
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and where was your wallwart all this time? didn't your freinds tell you not to leave batteries in vintage gear?
that's what happened to me anyway. i've never heard of this practice. |
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pac
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:39 am Post subject: |
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Isn't this supposed to be a correct virtual model calculation ? Right now, it seems more like a sample player to me.
And yes I used both the plug and batteries but for the "irregularities" I described I preferred the battery as a source. Of course I always took them out when they were empty  |
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pac
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:00 am Post subject: |
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I think its a bit sad that there are no updates to make the drum machine sound more like the original Roland models...
You did a great job with the 303 but the drumbox is still way off from sounding "near" the originals. |
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Mike
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:43 am Post subject: |
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Hi Pac,
Thanks for your comments!
No special modelling was done to simulate low battery conditions on the 606. Unfortunaly I don't have a 606 anymore so I can't verify what happens with the cymbals. Perhaps you can provide me with a sound example?
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You did a great job with the 303 but the drumbox is still way off from sounding "near" the originals.
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I think all the models capture the essance of the drum machines ADM aimes to emulate, but there can always be improvements. In my opinion the 909 model needs most work and will be focused on in future updates.
What we're trying to achieve here though is capturing the character and essance of these boxes, as opposed to getting a 100% similar sound (which can be done with samples but will be static). To me the whole point of these boxes is 1) they sound great, 2) they inspire to make tracks due to the limitations and ease to use. ADM achieves both goals, as well as adding more flexibility.
--Mike |
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quantize
Joined: 04 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:41 am Post subject: Re: 606 sound |
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| pac wrote: | Hmm I have some doubts here. If you have a working 606, try this: run the machine on batteries until they are near low power. The interaction of sounds will change, also depending on the volume set. Maybe a "low power" mode should be considered in the physical model.
I would also appreciate if you run some comparisons like with the 303 and the ABL before. The 606 was a budget machine but especially on batteries it had a bit more organic character than ADM presently (IMO) |
Sorry but this is really some of the silliest 'finger on your nose and face due west' kind of geekery I've probably ever read. It's voodoo and nothing more dont bother insisting 'till you're blue in the face.
As someone who owned a 606 (sold it and now only have the 808 and 909)
and a modded separate output one at that for many years...this is ridiculous trainspotter talk. Whatever sound interaction you think you hear could only be so subtle as to be utterly pointless!!! I used a 9v adaptor because i was kinda busy using it to be bothered finding out if the hats gated eachother slightly differently to be of any real sonic benefit. |
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Mike
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Quantize: I think Pac's observations are worth considering, especially if we're able to obtain a sample of them.
Its not such a touchy subject and I gracefully receive any suggestions or comments!
--Mike |
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quantize
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| be my guest Mike np, but personally I think you'd do well to have another look at the 909 sounds again. I'd be more than happy to help there. |
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pac
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: |
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Not sure but I guess this aussie guy tries to be unfriendly
Anyway meanwhile I got 909, 808 and 606 in hardware so the difference in sound of this software doesn't really bother me - I just use the original machines when I need to.
IMO the drums are a far away "emulation" but maybe it will improve with the updates...anyway the price is so cheap bundled with the bassline its worth it to me. My guess is that (same as with the bassline) version 2.0 will be the real deal some time in the future. |
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maky357
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike wrote: | In my opinion the 909 model needs most work and will be focused on in future updates.
What we're trying to achieve here though is capturing the character and essance of these boxes, as opposed to getting a 100% similar sound (which can be done with samples but will be static). To me the whole point of these boxes is 1) they sound great, 2) they inspire to make tracks due to the limitations and ease to use. ADM achieves both goals, as well as adding more flexibility.
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Hi! Yep exactly. For example your 909 BD is pretty more aggressive in a good way then on other company 909 emu product but you cant achieve same depth as they can. You probably need to put more BD controls at ADM. Your BD is sounding almost same as HW but only at some point.
I probably(i have bad english) want to say that with your drum you are 40% there but "they" got it at least 85%. Anyway ADM 909 BD does have bigger energy and i like it more. You can get really great kicks. Especially when used with SPL Transient shaper. Waaay more powerful.
But again i would like to see better clap, better ch and more advanced BD.
Keep up the good work! You have wonderful product there with ADM
Best regards! |
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